can’t see the forest

What Is an Illegal Immigrant?

Wish I could source this {ed: by Steve Kelly; thanks, pg!} . . . if anyone has any ideas, let me know.



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  1. peoplesgeography said, on 1/14/07 at 3:01 pm

    I might have an answer for you, Curt-meister. I thought a simple google-search might not yield much but that I’d give it a try and here is what it yielded from an archived Harper’s magazine page:

    In an S. Kelly cartoon, a conspicuously poverty-challenged, wide-mouth, archetype of today’s white post-European male points at an Hispanic family. “It’s time to reclaim America from illegal immigrants,” he says.

  2. peoplesgeography said, on 1/14/07 at 3:02 pm

    Sorry, not Harper’s magazine, site by Dick Harper

  3. curt said, on 1/15/07 at 11:41 am

    Embiciles believe that there are a few centimeters of ground on this planet that people haven’t fought and died over. It’s the nature of reality, conquer or become displaced. Fuck the Indians, they had an inferior culture and society – they were displaced. If whites cannot muster the fortitude necessary to deal with illegals in this country, they’ll lose it.

  4. Curtis said, on 1/15/07 at 2:14 pm

    Thank you, PG…S. Kelly, eh? I’ll have to look for more.

  5. Curtis said, on 1/15/07 at 2:19 pm

    “Conquer or become displaced” does not describe the nature of reality. It describes the nature of greed and paranoia. If greed is your reality, then you may be a greedy and ruthless individual–but it is not wise to assume that the same is true for everyone on Earth.

    Thanks for your comment.

  6. Debi said, on 1/17/07 at 9:50 am

    Just curious – the converse of this cartoon would suggest either an “America” made up exclusively of Indigenous Indians, or completely open borders… Is that the message here?

  7. […] Reclaiming America from Illegal Immigrants February 1st, 2007 — Monte Found this dandy cartoon posted by Curtis over at Can’t See the Forest. […]

  8. Curtis said, on 2/12/07 at 6:33 am

    Debi, please don’t think me rude (even if I am, I don’t mean to be!)…I didn’t see your comment for quite some time.

    That’s one possible message, certainly; the message I took away was a little less extreme. It’s a simple suggestion of humility and care in recognizing that that the country in which we rightfully take pride was, in reality, stolen from others. The extent to which that bears on U.S. immigration policy is debatable, as there are legitimate issues to be addressed, but it should at least serve to somewhat sober any hysteria.

  9. Monte said, on 9/7/07 at 3:54 pm

    It should, indeed. In addition, so should it be recalled that most of “our” Southwest was, in fact, Mexican. Barely 150 years ago, the US invaded, forcing Mexico to give up about half of its territory (many Americans advocated annexation of ALL of Mexico!). Gen. Pershing invaded again in 1914, securing the way for American oil interests. And now the US’ imperialism is economic. As Michael Thorburn wrote in 2004: “from 1982 to early the 1990’s Mexico was forced to privatize 886 state enterprises out of a total of 1,155 with U.S. monopolies gaining control over telecommunications, airlines, banking, mining, steel and other sectors.” Now NAFTA and US grain subsidies have driven Mexican farmers out of business (since US farmers with subsidies can sell below market value and make money, and Mexicans cannot).
    Over and over, we’ve taken their land and their money, and now we are angry with them for trying to earn it back at minimum wage.

  10. Curtis said, on 9/14/07 at 2:59 pm

    That’s an intriguing summary well worth repeating. Too often the issue of US-Latin American relations is treated as if it exists in an historical vacuum. The issues are singularized and isolated unrealistically.

  11. Monte said, on 9/15/07 at 9:28 pm

    Exactly. In a similar way to the question of poverty in Africa is relative to European conquest, and unrest in the Middle East relative to boundary-making on the divide-and-conquer plan (so no one can keep us from oil at the rates we set) by Britain and the USA, part of the problem (not all of it, to be sure) is of our making. And fair is fair – to at least that degree, we surely owe something to trying to make it right.
    You might enjoy A brief history of Iran-US relations, Part 1 which tells a similar story.
    Thanks for your gracious response!

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  13. Csar said, on 2/15/08 at 8:19 pm

    Monte is there a book or something you might recomend to get some information familiar to what you mentioned in your first comment?

    thanks alot,

  14. Monte said, on 2/16/08 at 10:06 pm

    Csar: I sure do wish every American had read Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States. Lately, I’ve been amazed by The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption, which addresses much of Central and South America (along with some other parts of the world).
    That the kind of thing you mean?

  15. Allen Moore said, on 2/29/08 at 9:11 pm

    I am a conservative, evangelical, maybe radical, Christian. I am only aware of one people that were actually given possession of their land, in writing, by the Creator- that was the Jewish people, in the land of Israel. Even that claim is open for debate, as they never took full advantage of the deal offered them by God at the time to secure the title. Even then, land ownership was by family, and could not be permanently sold. It had to go back to the family who owned it in the “year of Jubilee”

    I am sick of “Conservatives” and some other Christians who act like we have some holy basis for owning land. Our only basis is “legal”, from the US Government, and is open to all kinds of criticism. Yes, I “own” land, and pay taxes, but I should, and do, recognize that the ethical basis for US government regulation and authorization of land ownership is shaky. I don’t think that might makes right, but when a country sticks a flag on a piece of land and then says, “finders, keepers…” I have to wonder if that is how the One who made the land itself feels about it.

    At least the native Americans who were here first were living on the land a lot more like the Old Testament Jewish pattern- they identified territories with a family group, or tribe. I don’t think they were perfect either. No humans are! But through their cultural disadvantage in land dealings with the white man, the extent of our ungodliness was clearly shown by the extent of the cheating and treaty-breaking we were willing to go to. I must bow my head in shame when I think of what my forebears have done to the people who were here first. I wonder if land ownership were only recognized by proof of good stewardship and care of the land owned, who would own most of the land? Of course, no one could agree on what the standard of “good stewardship” should be…

    So, when it comes to hard working Mexicans who want to come here and work, I say we should open our arms to them. If we spent half the money on developing water sources that we spend on military efforts, the US could no doubt support well over a billion people- and still not do so in a way that would ruin the environment. Somehow our laws and freedoms have provided a good place of opportunity. I think there are some appropriate words on the bottom of a statue in New York harbor that reflect a healthier heart than what I am hearing lately. “Send me your tired…”

    We should also remember, it was not by military action that the Iron Curtain came down.

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